, about steel, about health care issues, about energy, which are grave concerns in both of those states. and they have to be addressed by both candidates. >> right. and this memo, by beth myers, senior adviser, highlights some of that which you just said. but she says things like, he's a universally acclaimed public speaker, he has substantial debate experience, he's a uniquely gifted speaker. all speaking about president obama. the memo goes on to say that he's been in eight presidential debates compared to -- which i guess would be five with hillary clinton and three with -- with john mccain. but this, of course, would be the very first debate for -- for governor romney. the cynic in me says this memo is really all about lowering expectations. because if you can lower expectations, whoever beats a low expectation will be the -- the -- seemingly the winner. is that true? >> well, you know, we have televised debates. you have a couple levels of that. you have people who are going to talk about how someone looked, how their makeup looked. remember with nixon it was about how he sweated.